*REVO. 1.5 WITH INDOOR SPARS*

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*REVO. 1.5 WITH INDOOR SPARS*

Postby Hector Herrera » Fri, Jul 27 2007, 08:15 PM

This question goes for all those Revolution kites saby's...(knowledgeable)
I am thinking about making me a Rev. 1.5 with very light fabrics, and use indoor spars from Revolution.
would you think is a good idea for zero winds flying outdoors? :revspin:
or and indoor size kite with bridles?

I don't have an indoor place to practice yet, so I am gonna have to stick with outdoor flying.
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Re: *REVO. 1.5 WITH INDOOR SPARS*

Postby Babbman » Fri, Jul 27 2007, 09:43 PM

Chris and I are thinking about getting a set of indoor spars for our SUL's... last I heard though, Rev had a bent mandrel and none in stock... I'd call Rev and ask them the status..

also, there is a thread int he Rev forum on what material Rev is using these days... sounds like .5 oz polyester which makes sense... and makes for a light kite.. more expensive material but you always get what you pay for...

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Re: *REVO. 1.5 WITH INDOOR SPARS*

Postby Hector Herrera » Fri, Jul 27 2007, 09:58 PM

Thanks Babbman !
Exactly... One more question; does the original SUL have the screen at the leading edge?
What if I make one with out any screen? will that make any difference?
I honestly don't see what the screen is for other than having the wind going through it.
does it really matters?
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Re: *REVO. 1.5 WITH INDOOR SPARS*

Postby Babbman » Sat, Jul 28 2007, 04:52 AM

from what I understand, the screening has much to do with the stability of the kite during reverse flying. I'm pretty sure that if I were building, I would use most everything that Rev had done and researched...

You ought to consider building a Rev II... Damn... it's the most fun of ALL the Rev kites, IMHO... way fast and capable of some great slack line tricks...


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Re: *REVO. 1.5 WITH INDOOR SPARS*

Postby Mike » Sat, Jul 28 2007, 08:33 AM

The SUL has screen, the Indoor doesn't.
I have made kites without screen. And then I added holes along the leading edge, and then even more holes to the same kite.
The kite flies OK without the screen in the lightest of winds, but as soon as the wind picks up a little, say 5mph, the screen really helps.
It seems that screen works better than the holes too.

Without screen, the kite is twitchier and it's harder to do anything in reverse. Spins are smoother with the screen too.
If you are just flying loops and figure 8s, you don't need the screen. If you are doing any of the precision moves that you can do with a Rev, the screen is better.

Compare flying a Vented Rev with a Standard Rev. It's easier to be precise with the vented.

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Re: *REVO. 1.5 WITH INDOOR SPARS*

Postby Hector Herrera » Sat, Jul 28 2007, 12:50 PM

The only decent vented kite I have is "Spider USA" and I am contemplating in buying The now famous B series. I have been reading your postings about the Barresi, and I feel that no matter how good I make my kites, they will probably be, not as good, as the original Rev.... :(
And I am close into making that desition, and like Jeff stated earlier, desition, desitions, desitions.
The main deal is MONEY... you know $300. bucks for a kite, it's only for rich guys, I would have to work 15 hours over time to get that kind of money, but what a heck, IT WOULD BE AWESOME TO HAVE SUCH A THING... :twisted: dont' you think?
I would like to have the black and blue...je,je,je,je... :twisted:

Editing: hey, how would you describe a Regular Rev. 1.5 vented versus the Barresi series 1.5 vented?
is there any diference? To me $159,00 versus $295.00 ....THERE IS A DIFFERENCE.
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Re: *REVO. 1.5 WITH INDOOR SPARS*

Postby Mike » Sat, Jul 28 2007, 01:07 PM

I don't have the B-series and I haven't flown them side by side so I can't say.

The B-series vented has slightly larger vents and placed in a slightly different location.

The extra money gets you a set of handles with adjustment knots and 2 sets of spars: 3 wrap and 4 wrap.

If you don't need the handles and spars, you may be better off with a regular vented. But I would order it without the 4-wrap SLE (thick spar) that it comes with the Regular Vented. Depending on what spars you already have, I would get it with a 4-wrap or 3-wrap skinny (the standard 1/4" spar).

Hector, what 1.5 sized spars do you already own?

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Re: *REVO. 1.5 WITH INDOOR SPARS*

Postby Hector Herrera » Sat, Jul 28 2007, 02:15 PM

I have the Rev. Patriotic, wich came with ultra light 5/16" Spars.
The Rev. SUL with the same 5/16"
One set of Rev. indoor that I allready cut some from the leading edge, the center is intact. these are 1/4" diameter.
several sky shark P 400, some P200, and P100


The patriotic will be untouched.
As for my old SUL, at the moment of writting this note, I am replacing the whole black leading edge section, cause it was bad allready.

Could I use my Patriotic as SUL? since it has the ULTRA LIGHT SPARS?



(I also have 6.5 fabric; colors red, black, green, light blue, orange. 3 yards each.)
I was thinking about making one rev. of one solid color, RED... maybe.
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Re: *REVO. 1.5 WITH INDOOR SPARS*

Postby Hector Herrera » Sat, Jul 28 2007, 04:03 PM

Okay; Leading edge dacron has been replaced on my SUL. is not the heavy kind is about 3/4 weight and I am going to use the set of Indoor spars, just to test it.
It's gonna be SUPER ULTRA LIGHT. I can allways replace the other set just in case Ha...
This is my 0 wind kite or street kite if you will.
I am still thinking about making the vented version or buying one.

Oh..yeah babbman, sometime ago I made myself the Rev. ll and you're right it does tricks better, I could do the flic flacs with this version. With the others I have not been able to.

I was using the spars for experimenting on other kites, I guess I am going to put it back toghether and just keep it as is.
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Re: *REVO. 1.5 WITH INDOOR SPARS*

Postby Mike » Sat, Jul 28 2007, 04:34 PM

By 1/4", I meant inner diameter.

The SUL spars should be marked "for professional use only" and are 2-wrap
Spars marked "ultra-light" are 3-wrap spars.
Spars marked "rev equipped" are 4-wrap spars.

If you have 2 wrap and 3 wrap spars already, you can move these around into your different kites.
If you really want to do it cheap, buy a Vented 1.5, sail only, and use your 2 and 3 wrap spars that you already own in the kite.
On really windy days you can try using the p400s in the leading edge of the vented.

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Re: *REVO. 1.5 WITH INDOOR SPARS*

Postby Hector Herrera » Sat, Jul 28 2007, 05:17 PM

Mike wrote:By 1/4", I meant inner diameter.

The SUL spars should be marked "for professional use only" and are 2-wrap
Spars marked "ultra-light" are 3-wrap spars.
Spars marked "rev equipped" are 4-wrap spars.

If you have 2 wrap and 3 wrap spars already, you can move these around into your different kites.
If you really want to do it cheap, buy a Vented 1.5, sail only, and use your 2 and 3 wrap spars that you already own in the kite.
On really windy days you can try using the p400s in the leading edge of the vented.


Mikey...instead of cheap lets call it "exquisitely economic". (for a tight budget)
Do they sell the vented sail only?...Where?
Maybe Dave from Chicago Kite can answer this question.
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Re: *REVO. 1.5 WITH INDOOR SPARS*

Postby Mike » Sat, Jul 28 2007, 06:10 PM

I was able to buy a sail once. It was to replace a damaged sail. I don't remember the details anymore, but I may have had to mail the damaged sail back to them as proof though.

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Re: *REVO. 1.5 WITH INDOOR SPARS*

Postby Hector Herrera » Sat, Jul 28 2007, 10:33 PM

I've got it Mike, I think the best thing to do is to get the Vented regular version with 3 Wrap spars.

Editing: or better yet, buy the SUL red and black and put the vents on my old SUL that probably has the sail a bit streched out.
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Re: *REVO. 1.5 WITH INDOOR SPARS*

Postby Mike » Sun, Jul 29 2007, 10:41 AM

Hunt around to find the lightest weight screen you can if you make your own.
Ken said he found some, maybe he will chime in here.
I would also match the pattern of screening on the B-Series rather than the standard vented.

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Re: *REVO. 1.5 WITH INDOOR SPARS*

Postby Hector Herrera » Sun, Jul 29 2007, 02:36 PM

Mike wrote:Hunt around to find the lightest weight screen you can if you make your own.
Ken said he found some, maybe he will chime in here.
I would also match the pattern of screening on the B-Series rather than the standard vented.


Darn... A bit too late Mike, The California Machine was at work while you were thinking... :(
And I didn't know where to get the B. series dimentions... :revspin:

What do you think...??? :shock:
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Re: *REVO. 1.5 WITH INDOOR SPARS*

Postby Hector Herrera » Sun, Jul 29 2007, 02:47 PM

And now, I am heading with the family to the beach, and I am going to check with Upupandaway kite store in Seal Beach, and then The Kite Connection, to see if I can get me a new SUL RED and BLACK Remember my wife's birthday? She's only gonna get a B.Cake... :twisted:

No offense, but a month ago I bought 2 tires for her car, and 3 days ago 2 more, so I guess she has gotten her presents in advance... :oops:
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Re: *REVO. 1.5 WITH INDOOR SPARS*

Postby Mike » Sun, Jul 29 2007, 05:54 PM

looks good!

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Re: *REVO. 1.5 WITH INDOOR SPARS*

Postby Hector Herrera » Sun, Jul 29 2007, 10:44 PM

Looks good and flew better... :up: I was able to rotate the kite at a very sloow pace, something I could not do before so easy. In general it responded as a profetional kite. I went to 2 places and neither one had the SUL I want, that means, I still have my little money and may make myself the SUL I want. The easiest would be one color sail. that way I get into any problem with sewing so much. :oops:
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Re: *REVO. 1.5 WITH INDOOR SPARS*

Postby Frodos Majik » Sun, Jul 29 2007, 10:49 PM

As far as the screening material that I have used, I think I got it from Ace hardware store a while back. It feels just like the screen material that is in my vented revs.

Hector the kite looks great. :up:
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Re: *REVO. 1.5 WITH INDOOR SPARS*

Postby Mike » Mon, Jul 30 2007, 05:52 AM

I have some from Ace that is stiffer and heavier, so YMMV.


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