Kite Projects - This Winter---Rok Building Class

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Kite Projects - This Winter---Rok Building Class

Postby Mux11 » Wed, Nov 12 2008, 10:27 PM

Been wondering about building some stuff this winter and wondering if we could get that ROK build going or at least scratch a date.
I just signed up for the 90 bulldog build on kitebuilder and crazy excited.
Semester ends the second week in Dec and would like to do a build between (late Dec - early Jan)

What cha think???

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Re: Kite Projects - This Winter

Postby Mike » Thu, Nov 13 2008, 05:33 PM

Early January sounds good to me...

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Re: Kite Projects - This Winter

Postby Jeepster » Thu, Nov 13 2008, 05:51 PM

Please count me in ...

My grandson had a nylon playhouse - red, blue & yellow. It was going in the trash, so I grabbed it to make a piece of line laundry. It's not wind proof nor very thick, but it survived a couple of years of kid abuse, so maybe it'll be okay. Decided to make a caterpillar ... 78 pieces cut out with little scrap left over. Hoping a single running stitch will be enough to keep it together, 'cuz that's a lot of piecing together for anything else.

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Re: Kite Projects - This Winter

Postby backdraft » Tue, Nov 18 2008, 04:17 AM

January works for me to.

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Re: Kite Projects - This Winter

Postby Mike » Sun, Jan 04 2009, 12:03 PM

OK, early January is obviously not happening.
I propose Saturday, February the 7th.--if that date works for everyone, especially Mike S.

Mike is in Cabery, IL and owns a building that would give us lots of room. It's heated, has indoor plumbing ;), and plenty of power available for multiple sewing machines.
I'll post a map and directions later.

The way I envision it right now, is that we would make a basic Rok like the ones we've used at festivals for Rok battles.
Here's a photo from a battle in progress; one of the kites is being cut out of the sky.
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The kites are in the 3-4-5 style, meaning that they are 5 feet tall, 4 feet wide, and the height of the center rectangle (red, green or blue on these kites) is 3 feet tall.

That photo is from 2005 and these kites are still flying and with the same spars. The spars are pultruded carbon in one piece. Two 4 foot and 1 five foot rod.

Once we've cut and sewn the skin, there are a few ways to finish the kite. Pockets, velcro, shoelaces vs o-rings vs cable-ties, etc. Tensioning the bow can be done a few different ways too. Bring any roks you already own, and we can compare the different methods that different people use. Mike S has several good examples.

This wont be like other classes you may have taken. I don't plan on pre-cutting the pieces because I want to discuss cutting (hot vs cold) for newbies. And there will be input and discussion of different techniques. All skill levels are welcome. Absolute beginners will leave with a kite they've made, and advanced sewers will get a chance to share techniques and hopefully learn new ones.

Applique can be done later on your own.

I think it would be great to have IKE rok battling demonstrations at festivals, all using the same size kite. This would be a great start for the IKE Rok team (t-shirts anyone?)

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Re: Kite Projects - This Winter

Postby Mike » Sun, Jan 04 2009, 12:21 PM

So, if this date is good for people, we'll need a head count and color choices.
I'll order material and spars and have it all shipped to Mike S.'s house.
You can reimburse me for the cost of the materials on kite building day.

I like to use 3/4 oz nylon seconds from Kite Builder.
Here's the colors that are available right now:
http://www.kitebuilder.com/catalog/inde ... 01b6a29a7c

We'll need just over a yard for the center rectangle and a couple feet of black for the triangles.

We'll be using two of these spars:
http://www.kitebuilder.com/catalog/prod ... 01b6a29a7c

And one of these:
http://www.kitebuilder.com/catalog/prod ... 01b6a29a7c

We'll use some velcro, and dacron for reinforcements, maybe some webbing for pockets, etc.
I'll order some of that too.

I'll group all the orders into one so we can save on shipping and get any possible bulk discounts.

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Re: Kite Projects - This Winter---Rok Building Class

Postby Jeepster » Sun, Jan 04 2009, 07:10 PM

All right!!!! I'll just pretend we're building a Bull Dog ... Japanese Bull Dog 'cuz they're smaller.

Feb 7th will work for me. First choice is Dark Blue ... second choice is Red ... either is acceptable if it helps the order.

I'm assuming you'll order everything? Yes? What do we need to bring ... hot cut iron ... glass sheet ... straight edge ... ?

Cheers,
Tom

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Re: Kite Projects - This Winter---Rok Building Class

Postby Mike » Sun, Jan 04 2009, 09:32 PM

Yup, I'll order everything.
I'll also bring a big old sheet of glass and a couple cutting mats, hot cutter (wood burner).

We'll probably do a combination of hot cutting and cold cutting. It's a class to learn/experiment after all.

What to bring will depend somewhat on how many people we have.
You'll want to bring whatever you usually use to sew: a sewing machine, thread, seam ripper.
There will probably be other tools available but you may want to bring any of the following:
hot cutter, roller cutter, razor blade, straight edge, pencil, quilting ruler, blue masking tape, glue stick, double-sided tape...

I'll bring my sewing machine and I don't plan on sewing, so it's available if someone doesn't have one.

We may want to order some line too. This is what we've used at the festivals for battles:
http://gwtw-kites.com/showproduct.asp?P ... Hoop+Spool
After all, if it's good enough for Jim Cosca ;) (He was a Premier rep when he won the championship, so of course he was using Premier line)
We'll see if Dave Zavell can get the Premier line for us. It's a nice braided line

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Re: Kite Projects - This Winter---Rok Building Class

Postby Frodos Majik » Sun, Jan 04 2009, 10:19 PM

I am in. Not sure if I will need the spars or material. I have had it on hold since last time there was talk of a rok class. I will look to see what colors of rsn is here. I may elect to get some different color then what I have. Will need black for sure though.

The date of feb 7th should be fine with me also.
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Re: Kite Projects - This Winter---Rok Building Class

Postby Pkrekel » Mon, Jan 05 2009, 07:02 AM

I am in too

I also have some material, but no spars. Feb 7th is ok with me too

I-Rok will rok your world

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Re: Kite Projects - This Winter---Rok Building Class

Postby Mux11 » Mon, Jan 05 2009, 09:16 AM

Sounds Great!! and thanks for picking up the ball on this :up:

I would like to do one of each of the dark blue, red, and green and have my own set.
so count me in for 3


the line idea is good too because its cheeper in bulk and we can always spool it....

Thanks - Jp

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Re: Kite Projects - This Winter---Rok Building Class

Postby Mike » Mon, Jan 05 2009, 12:08 PM

I haven't found a good bulk price for 150# braided polyester line.
If anyone finds one, post it here.

The spool that the Premier line comes on is a nice heavy duty spool (at least it used to be, I haven't bought it in a few years).
$14 for 500' on a nice spool is the best I've seen.

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Re: Kite Projects - This Winter---Rok Building Class

Postby chicagokite » Mon, Jan 05 2009, 12:30 PM

Hey guys

Mike how much are you looking for bulk from premier only comes 500' let me know maybe I can help.
Thanks
Dave

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Re: Kite Projects - This Winter---Rok Building Class

Postby Mike » Mon, Jan 05 2009, 01:25 PM

Dave, once I know how many folks are in the class, I'll definitely give you a call.

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Re: Kite Projects - This Winter---Rok Building Class

Postby backdraft » Wed, Jan 07 2009, 06:44 PM

The 7th works fine for me, I would like enough materials to build one in each color.

Mike S.

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Re: Kite Projects - This Winter---Rok Building Class

Postby Mike » Wed, Jan 07 2009, 09:51 PM

I guess I wasn't clear.
You can choose any color that Kitebuilder carries. The photo just shows three kites that I built a few years ago.

Here's the page with Kitebuilder's seconds:
http://www.kitebuilder.com/catalog/...d82c701b6a29a7c

Pick any color you like! Pick 1st quality if you want!
I would recommend 3/4 oz nylon, other than that, it doesn't matter what color you choose.

We won't be buying enough material to get a quantity discount on the fabric, so you don't have to choose a color someone else has chosen.

(we will save on shipping, and we'll get a qty discount on the spars)

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Re: Kite Projects - This Winter---Rok Building Class

Postby Frodos Majik » Thu, Jan 08 2009, 02:16 AM

Hey Mike if you havent placed the order yet, please put me down for two yards of each the lilac and the yellow. If you have already placed not too worry. Thanks :up:
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Re: Kite Projects - This Winter---Rok Building Class

Postby Mike » Thu, Jan 08 2009, 07:08 AM

I'm going to place the order next week, to give everyone a chance to see the post and choose their colors.

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Re: Kite Projects - This Winter---Rok Building Class

Postby Pkrekel » Thu, Jan 08 2009, 07:16 AM

Put me down for black, red white.

I would like to make one that looks like this.
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Re: Kite Projects - This Winter---Rok Building Class

Postby Mike » Thu, Jan 08 2009, 02:51 PM

Cool.
The white area is 4' wide and 3' tall.
So figure what size your circle will be (2'?).

Then look around your house for something around that size you can use as a pattern to hot cut around. I've used a metal trash can lid for example. Otherwise, we'll draw it with a compass or piece of string, or....
I'll bring some cardboard you can use to make a template from too.

That's a nice simple applique that you'll be able to do at the workshop.


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