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Rev II questions

Posted: Wed, Jul 24 2013, 10:44 PM
by swannie
Hi all,

I recently acquired a Rev II and a "Patent Pending" Rev I (which, unfortunately, is pink). My question today is on the Rev II, based on the panel layout and having the older logo I think it's from 1991 or so. The sail is in great condition, and the rest is in what I'd call "good condition consistent with age". I took the Rev II out for a test flight today, and it flew pretty nicely when the wind was cooperating (which wasn't often) but it did seem a little sluggish and there was some noticeable droop in my lines at times when I'm pretty sure my by B Series 1.5 would have stayed up just fine. So, a couple of questions:

1. What was the advertised wind range of these? I have the "Revolution Equipped" 4 wrap rods with it, so with less sail area and heavy rods I'm thinking this wasn't designed for the lower-end of the wind range.
2. I used the 90# line I use on my 1.5s, should I be using lighter line?
3. Did this come originally with 11" handles?
4. The bridal on this thing is weird ... at least to me. It looks like it's made out of shoestring it's so darn thick, was this stock or did the guy I bought it from replace it/create his own at some point?

I looked at Revolution's web site and they only had specs on the B2 Rev, so I'm not sure if this is similar or not. I realize the answer to some of these questions is "experiment and find what you like best!" which I'm not opposed to, but I'd like to know what baseline is before I start changing variables. :)

Thanks in advance!
Swannie

Re: Rev II questions

Posted: Thu, Jul 25 2013, 06:49 AM
by Mike
swannie wrote:Hi all,
...So, a couple of questions:

1. What was the advertised wind range of these? I have the "Revolution Equipped" 4 wrap rods with it, so with less sail area and heavy rods I'm thinking this wasn't designed for the lower-end of the wind range.

You're right, with the smaller sail area it's harder to fly in light winds. In high winds, it's a ton of fun: crazy fast without the pull of a speed series kite. I'd replace the spars with 3 wraps or Race rods. A hint when trying to fly in light winds: use more brake than you might think. Too much forward and the wind just sheets off the kite.

2. I used the 90# line I use on my 1.5s, should I be using lighter line?

90# is good, that's all I use

3. Did this come originally with 11" handles?

The very original ones came with 9", measured across the gap. It flies well with 11" (which is what they'd sell you now, I think). With 13" handles you will have to be more careful not to over-control the kite and "bowtie" (flip one wing backward. However longer handles make it easier to do tricks like flic-flacs

4. The bridal on this thing is weird ... at least to me. It looks like it's made out of shoestring it's so darn thick, was this stock or did the guy I bought it from replace it/create his own at some point?

It's probably stock. My old RevII came with the same type of thick bridle line that's on an EXP, my newer Rev II has the thin stuff. It would probably be cheap to replace, try phoning theKiteSite.net--the store is owned by Big Mike, an active member of our club and a Rev expert

I looked at Revolution's web site and they only had specs on the B2 Rev, so I'm not sure if this is similar or not. I realize the answer to some of these questions is "experiment and find what you like best!" which I'm not opposed to, but I'd like to know what baseline is before I start changing variables. :)

Thanks in advance!
Swannie
Have fun!

Re: Rev II questions

Posted: Thu, Jul 25 2013, 07:49 AM
by goestoeleven
If the Rev 1 is pink and black, then I think maybe Swannie drove out to Rockford . . . and beat me by a day on those kites.:up: 8-) I tried to get the guy selling them to join IKE, because he's been flying for at least 20+ years, but I think he's getting ready to move as he's selling his house, etc. He used to fly in Schaumburg as part of the Skyliner club, but now lives too far away to fly regularly in Chicago. He said they used to get a lot of people at Busse Woods, but now it's much easier for him to fly in his back yard. I told him about KOLM, so maybe we'll see him there.

The thick bridle line is factory standard for early Revs. I have it on a Rev II and also on a Rev 1. When you come to a club fly, we should compare the bridles on the Rev II to Mike's newer bridle. I know the early Rev 1 bridles required line sets with different length top and bottom lines, plus the line sets came with snap swivels to attach to the kite. I don't know if that was also the case with the early Rev II bridles, or if they came out after the switch to same-length lines.

Being the knucklehead that I am, I've flown my Rev 1 with the ancient bridle using my standard line sets, which (theoretically) ought to have lines that are all the same length . . . . . :oops: need to get out and equalize one of these days . . . :oops:. If the kites you bought came with line sets, you might want to double check the length and see if you need to equalize.

Re: Rev II questions

Posted: Thu, Jul 25 2013, 08:08 AM
by Jeepster
3. Did this come originally with 11" handles?

The very original ones came with 9", measured across the gap. It flies well with 11" (which is what they'd sell you now, I think). With 13" handles you will have to be more careful not to over-control the kite and "bowtie" (flip one wing backward. However longer handles make it easier to do tricks like flic-flacs


Labeling the handles is one of the few things Joe screwed up on when developing the Rev ... it's still causing confusion. Rev calls their standard handles "13 inch handles" 'cuz the tubing used to make them is 13 inches long. When formed, they have a gap across the tips (D-ring to D-ring) of about 11.75 inches. I don't have a stock set of Rev II handles, but my homemade ones use 11 inches of tubing (actually aluminum rod) and have a pigtail-to-pigtail gap of about 9.5 inches. My homemade set of "15 inch handles" uses 15 inches of tubing (again aluminum rod) and have a pigtail-to-pigtail gap of about 13.75 inches.

Oh yes, because of differences in manufacturing tolerances and Rev's choice of suppliers, the distance from D-ring to D-ring will vary from time to time. That adds to the confusion.

Mike, is your early set of handles smaller than today's 11 inches of tubing and 9.25 inches between the D-rings?

Here is the handle info collected in one place:

11 inch handles ... 11 inches of tubing ... ~9.25 inches from D-ring to D-ring ... standard Rev II handles
13 inch handles ... 13 inches of tubing ... ~11.75 inches from D-ring to D-ring ... standard Rev 1.5 handles
15 inch handles ... 15 inches of tubing ... ~13.75 inches from D-ring to D-ring ... non-standard handles

Cheers,
Tom

Re: Rev II questions

Posted: Thu, Jul 25 2013, 08:09 AM
by swannie
goestoeleven wrote:If the Rev 1 is pink and black, then I think maybe Swannie drove out to Rockford . . . and beat me by a day on those kites.:up: 8-) I tried to get the guy selling them to join IKE, because he's been flying for at least 20+ years, but I think he's getting ready to move as he's selling his house, etc. He used to fly in Schaumburg as part of the Skyliner club, but now lives too far away to fly regularly in Chicago. He said they used to get a lot of people at Busse Woods, but now it's much easier for him to fly in his back yard. I told him about KOLM, so maybe we'll see him there.

The thick bridle line is factory standard for early Revs. I have it on a Rev II and also on a Rev 1. When you come to a club fly, we should compare the bridles on the Rev II to Mike's newer bridle. I know the early Rev 1 bridles required line sets with different length top and bottom lines, plus the line sets came with snap swivels to attach to the kite. I don't know if that was also the case with the early Rev II bridles, or if they came out after the switch to same-length lines.

Being the knucklehead that I am, I've flown my Rev 1 with the ancient bridle using my standard line sets, which (theoretically) ought to have lines that are all the same length . . . . . :oops: need to get out and equalize one of these days . . . :oops:. If the kites you bought came with line sets, you might want to double check the length and see if you need to equalize.


You would be correct. :) It worked out good, I volunteer at the Illinois Railway Museum (near Marengo) and we had a big event last weekend that we were preparing for on Friday so I shot out to Rockford and stole them out from under you. :-P

For what it's worth, the bridal on the Rev I seemed messed up to me. It actually looks and feels like regular old cotton string and has a lot of wear on it. My intent is to stack it so I may just remove the bridal entirely. I'll probably order a new bridal for it anyhow ... they're cheap. :)

Re: Rev II questions

Posted: Thu, Jul 25 2013, 08:10 AM
by swannie
Mike wrote:
swannie wrote:Hi all,
...So, a couple of questions:

Have fun!


All good info, thanks a ton Mike, that was a lot of help. I'll have to check The Kite Site out, where are they (physically) located?

Re: Rev II questions

Posted: Thu, Jul 25 2013, 08:20 AM
by goestoeleven
swannie wrote:For what it's worth, the bridal on the Rev I seemed messed up to me. It actually looks and feels like regular old cotton string and has a lot of wear on it. My intent is to stack it so I may just remove the bridal entirely. I'll probably order a new bridal for it anyhow ... they're cheap. :)


You might have a Rev 1 SUL - it had a lighter weight bridle that might have been spectra, and lighter spars than the original Rev 1. I had a pink and teal one that I sold last year to another IKE member, and the bridle on it was lighter than the other old bridles & seemed to have lots of wear (but flew just fine). However, don't let that stop you from buying a new bridle for both kites . . . that's what I thought about doing with the pink & teal one before I sold it.

It's funny that you bought the kites to stack them - that's exactly what I was thinking. I want to make some stacks just for grins . . . . but then I never get around to making the stacking lines . . . even though I have tons of dacron.

Re: Rev II questions

Posted: Thu, Jul 25 2013, 08:55 AM
by swannie
goestoeleven wrote:
swannie wrote:For what it's worth, the bridal on the Rev I seemed messed up to me. It actually looks and feels like regular old cotton string and has a lot of wear on it. My intent is to stack it so I may just remove the bridal entirely. I'll probably order a new bridal for it anyhow ... they're cheap. :)


You might have a Rev 1 SUL - it had a lighter weight bridle that might have been spectra, and lighter spars than the original Rev 1. I had a pink and teal one that I sold last year to another IKE member, and the bridle on it was lighter than the other old bridles & seemed to have lots of wear (but flew just fine). However, don't let that stop you from buying a new bridle for both kites . . . that's what I thought about doing with the pink & teal one before I sold it.

It's funny that you bought the kites to stack them - that's exactly what I was thinking. I want to make some stacks just for grins . . . . but then I never get around to making the stacking lines . . . even though I have tons of dacron.


Well, since this has now turned into a Rev I thread, I decided to unpack it and take another look at it. :-D

I think you're right, the bridle does appear to be spectra now that I take a close look at it. Also, instead of attaching to the top of the kite through the end caps that the spars go into it actually goes through the rubber grommet and loops around the shock cord. He also had the fishing line clip thingies (the name escapes me now) on the bridle which I thought was odd, and I'm assuming not factory...

Re: Rev II questions

Posted: Thu, Jul 25 2013, 09:13 AM
by goestoeleven
The swivels were part the early bridle setup. Still probably a good idea to go to the newer bridle design, especially if using a standard line set.

The kitesite is south of chicago, so not really local for pickup, but they show up for club fly events, etc., so you can pick up stuff then. Of course, a bridle probably could fit in an envelope, so I can't imagine shipping would be much . . ..

Re: Rev II questions

Posted: Thu, Jul 25 2013, 09:42 AM
by Mike
swannie wrote:All good info, thanks a ton Mike, that was a lot of help. I'll have to check The Kite Site out, where are they (physically) located?

Cabery, IL. Otherwise known as the middle of nowhere :)
The whole family are super nice people though.

Re: Rev II questions

Posted: Thu, Jul 25 2013, 09:48 AM
by Mike
Jeepster wrote:....
Mike, is your early set of handles smaller than today's 11 inches of tubing and 9.25 inches between the D-rings?
Maybe not, I can't find them right now. My memory may be faulty, but I remember them feeling small and that was when all the kites came with 11"/9.25" handles, even the Rev 1.5. The only kite that came with the 13"/11.75" handles was the Blast and I used those handles for all my kites for years.
Cheers,
Tom

BTW, thanks for putting all that info in one place. Good to have an engineer on staff :)

Re: Rev II questions

Posted: Thu, Jul 25 2013, 12:51 PM
by Darkspark
Their "Outside Sales" staff are nice also. And good looking to boot! :c8l:

Re: Rev II questions

Posted: Thu, Jul 25 2013, 04:12 PM
by KiteVoice
Darkspark wrote:And good looking to boot! :c8l:


:ditto

Re: Rev II questions

Posted: Sat, Jul 27 2013, 08:31 PM
by swannie
Just for giggles, I setup a progressive stack of the Revs ... pulled more then I expected. I used 150# line. The wind was sort of squirely the other day (Thursday) but it flew all right. Here a few pictures (the last 3 in the album):
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set ... cb60afccb5

Re: Rev II questions

Posted: Sun, Jul 28 2013, 07:38 AM
by Mike
Stacks are great! The winds don't have to be strong, but smooth winds certainly help!

Re: Rev II questions

Posted: Sun, Jul 28 2013, 02:49 PM
by TMadz
Nice. Was that at the SG sports complex?'

We have met. I saw you flying your Wala once. I've been meaning to get out to fly, but spare time has been taken up by home maintenance.

Re: Rev II questions

Posted: Sun, Jul 28 2013, 03:43 PM
by swannie
TMadz wrote:Nice. Was that at the SG sports complex?'

We have met. I saw you flying your Wala once. I've been meaning to get out to fly, but spare time has been taken up by home maintenance.


Yup, that's the place, and yup that was me! :) I hear ya on home maintenance ... seems like 10 years and this place is falling apart all of a sudden... ;)

Re: Rev II questions

Posted: Sun, Jul 28 2013, 07:32 PM
by goestoeleven
Stacks are great; now I need to stack some myself.

Btw, wait until your house hits 50 or more . . .