About Coming To Conclusions...

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About Coming To Conclusions...

Postby Knoted4ever » Sat, Jul 28 2007, 10:44 PM

from Stephen Crane:




The wayfarer
Perceiving the pathway to truth
Was struck with astonishment.
It was thickly grown with weeds.
"Ha," he said,
"I see that none has passed here
In a long time."
Later he saw that each weed
Was a singular knife.
"Well," he mumbled at last,
"Doubtless there are other roads."
Tom P.
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Re: About Coming To Conclusions...

Postby Mike » Sun, Jul 29 2007, 10:34 AM

What is this "truth" that everyone talks about anyway?

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Re: About Coming To Conclusions...

Postby Babbman » Sun, Jul 29 2007, 12:01 PM

Truth = AntiBullcrap

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Re: About Coming To Conclusions...

Postby Mike » Sun, Jul 29 2007, 02:04 PM

is that the sort of truth being discussed in the poem?

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Re: About Coming To Conclusions...

Postby Knoted4ever » Tue, Jul 31 2007, 10:13 PM

Well, it may be that truth, being apart from mere conclusions... is not something that can be defined by the symbolic images of thought. All thoughts are symbols; they are representative patterns which are sequential and fragmentary images. The word is not the thing; and it may be that representative patterns can never be the truth or commune with the truth. Most people think that they use their thoughts; but it may be that they are not separate from what their thoughts are; they see what they were taught to see (through the stale images and patterns of thought)... which may not have anything to do with truth.



from Wallace Stevens:



On the Road Home



It was when I said,
"There is no such thing as the truth,"
That the grapes seemed fatter.
The fox ran out of his hole.

You. . . You said,
"There are many truths,
But they are not parts of a truth."
Then the tree, at night, began to change,

Smoking through green and smoking blue.
We were two figures in a wood.
We said we stood alone.

It was when I said,
"Words are not forms of a single word.
In the sum of the parts, there are only the parts. The world must be measured by eye";

It was when you said,
"The idols have seen lots of poverty,
Snakes and gold and lice,
But not the truth";

It was at that time, that the silence was largest and longest, the night was roundest,
The fragments of the autumn warmest,
Closest and strongest.
Tom P.

Illinois_______ (excerpt from E. E. Cummings: "How many winds make wonderful... and is luck The skeleton of life")

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Re: About Coming To Conclusions...

Postby Mike » Wed, Aug 01 2007, 06:56 AM

Ok, here in the philosophy corner of IKE:
I understand what you are saying about symbols Tom. I can see how they can be limiting to thought and the exploration of new ideas. I'm not sure there's anyway around that, it may just be the way our brain evolved. I'm not being facetious or argumentative when I ask: what do you mean by "truth?" Being a sort of down to earth sort of guy, I know that it is true that 1+1=2, but I don't think that's what you're talking about. This may be a better conversation to have in person some day.

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Re: About Coming To Conclusions...

Postby Knoted4ever » Thu, Aug 02 2007, 10:31 PM

i enjoy philosophical realms even better than kite flying; not that kite flying is necessarily separate from the beauty of inquiry; it is not separate for me. Yes, it would be good to have a conversation about it in person!

Most people were taught to think that they are (among other things) separate from the sun...

from Wallace Stevens:


The Latest Freed Man



Tired of the old descriptions of the world,

The latest freed man rose at six and sat

On the edge of his bed. He said,

“I suppose there is

A doctrine to this landscape. Yet, having just

Escaped from the truth, the morning is color and mist,

Which is enough: the moment’s rain and sea,

The moment’s sun (the strong man vaguely seen),

Overtaking the doctrine of this landscape. Of him

And of his works, I am sure. He bathes in the mist

Like a man without a doctrine. The light he gives–

It is how he gives his light. It is how he shines,

Rising upon the doctors in their beds

And on their beds. . . .â€
Tom P.

Illinois_______ (excerpt from E. E. Cummings: "How many winds make wonderful... and is luck The skeleton of life")


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