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Dog Stake Rig

Posted: Mon, Sep 27 2010, 09:23 PM
by Darkspark
Just wanted to show off a dog stake rig I am in the process of making for a fellow flier, trading for a kite. This part will attach to a standard screw in stake. I still need to do some finishing, and make the part that attaches to the stake. The head will be removable with a pin. It will swivel to vertical each way, go from horizontal to about a 45* angle up. And it will rotate around the stake. Its all stainless and aluminum. The pulleys have sealed stainless bearings. The piece behind the pulleys slides forward and back to remove the lines. Fun but time consuming project. Looking forward to finishing it to see how it works. Image Image

Re: Dog Stake Rig

Posted: Tue, Sep 28 2010, 07:45 AM
by Mike
wow. very pretty. shiny. cool! It's amazing to me what people with metal working skills can do.

Be sure to wear eye protection if you try it out :)
At least I know I whacked myself a few times when I tried dog-staking.

Re: Dog Stake Rig

Posted: Tue, Sep 28 2010, 09:33 PM
by Hector Herrera
It's been a long time since I get in to this forum! Hi gang! It's me Hector from California, yeah...I'm still alive. and feeling good, I fly kites every now and then.
I was looking at this interesting device, the basic similarities from my YoYo's. The Idea of bearings is excellent, but..I noticed only two wheels on this photos, I was wondering...
if this device it's going to be used for a dual line kite, it's perfect! but for a Quad,...hmmm, remember that I had to make FOUR wheel to make IT work? the reason behind it, was obvious.
You'VE GOT to have FOUR wheel, one for each line, other wise, if you have 2 lines on one wheel, they will drag themselves against each other inside the wheel grove, not rotating as supposed to.
I may be wrong on my comment, but it is only a comment. :-)
NICE MACHINE SHOP WORK! :up:

EDITING: Don't forget, sand and humidity will have a say at the bearings. Sealed bearing are good.

Re: Dog Stake Rig

Posted: Wed, Sep 29 2010, 11:17 AM
by Darkspark
Hi Hector,
Thanks for the compliments, All the bearings are sealed and maintenance free. I plan on polishing the inside of the pulleys, and I am hoping they will be smooth enough to put two lines on each. I think with a polish and wax, the lines should slide. If I have to add two more pulleys, I can with only a few modifications. I haven't got it finished to try it yet. Won't know for sure until then. Glad to see you posting on the forum again, Mikey

Re: Dog Stake Rig

Posted: Wed, Sep 29 2010, 03:16 PM
by Mike
Hi Hector, good to see you again Mi Amigo!

I think Hector raised a good point.

Let's say we put the two lines coming off one handle on a single pulley. When we rotate the handle thumbs back for example, the top line moves back and the bottom line moves forward. It seems to me that the pulley wont help much and the lines rub against each other.

Let's say we put the two top lines on a pulley, and the two brake lines on the other pulley. Anytime we turn and apply brake to one side and forward to the other side of the kite, the lines will again move in opposite directions and rub against each other.

Re: Dog Stake Rig

Posted: Wed, Sep 29 2010, 03:19 PM
by Mike
The auto-generated "Similar Topics" at the bottom of these posts are pointing to Hectors work on dog stakes.

Re: Dog Stake Rig

Posted: Wed, Sep 29 2010, 05:02 PM
by Darkspark
You guys are right, no matter how the lines are situated they will rub against each other or the pulley. I am hoping to get the pulley polished and waxed to the point that there is very little friction between it and the lines. About the same as having a twist or two in the lines during normal flying. No way to know for sure until it is tested.

Re: Dog Stake Rig

Posted: Wed, Sep 29 2010, 11:14 PM
by Hector Herrera
Darkspark wrote:You guys are right, no matter how the lines are situated they will rub against each other or the pulley. I am hoping to get the pulley polished and waxed to the point that there is very little friction between it and the lines. About the same as having a twist or two in the lines during normal flying. No way to know for sure until it is tested.


Hi there! there is one more thing you have to put in consideration; when you are flying a Quad, (Rev) you wil make turns just like you do im normal flying,
THEN, the twisted lines WILL have an effect inside the groove of the device.- IF...you make too many turn, it will get hard to fly the kite. But then again, you have to make your own
flying try outs, to see where you are. The lasT thing I did, was to eliminate the YoYo's, and the wheels, and came up with just a big hook Like this ( ? ) made with satinless steel and well polished.
the tricks to do good stake kite flying is NOT TO DO TOO MANY TURNS. (I guess) Good luck, post some stake kite flying videos when you can, it will be nice to see that.

Re: Dog Stake Rig

Posted: Fri, Oct 01 2010, 09:54 PM
by Mike
I like the idea of the hook. Simple, nothing to break, works well in sand and dirt.

Maybe we can try out Mikey's system at the Pontiac Club fly?

Re: Dog Stake Rig

Posted: Sat, Oct 02 2010, 12:54 PM
by Darkspark
Well I finished the rig and tried it out. Other than scaring the hell out of myself multiple times, it worked really well. I had no problems with the pulleys, the line slides on them very well when going in opposite directions. The head follows and turns with the kite as designed. I am unsure if I will still have it in Pontiac, I made it for someone else. I think it will be shipped out by then. We'll see. Here are some pics of the finished rig. I am quite proud of it. Image
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Re: Dog Stake Rig

Posted: Sun, Oct 03 2010, 07:53 AM
by Mike
It is a thing of beauty. Congrats on work well done.

Re: Dog Stake Rig

Posted: Sun, Oct 17 2010, 04:05 PM
by RevJB
Nice job.

Looks like your flyer was happy. You were mentioned by name in one of his articles.

Re: Dog Stake Rig

Posted: Wed, Feb 23 2011, 07:01 PM
by Darkspark
So I have been working on a second version using 4 pulleys. I have the majority of it roughed in. The problem with the first one was the wraps in the line getting to close to the rig, then the lines would climb off the pulleys. As long as there isn't too many problems with line in/out interference I think this will work much better. As the kite twists up it will only tighten the lines onto the pulleys. Thats the plan anyhow. Have to wait and see how it works in professional hands.
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Re: Dog Stake Rig

Posted: Wed, Feb 23 2011, 08:13 PM
by goestoeleven
Nice!

Re: Dog Stake Rig

Posted: Wed, Feb 23 2011, 08:52 PM
by Mike
Too bad you can't make the club fly. We could have tested it and probably poke our eyes out trying to dog-stake.
It is a thing of beauty.

Re: Dog Stake Rig

Posted: Sun, Feb 27 2011, 10:30 PM
by Hector Herrera
Darkspark wrote:So I have been working on a second version using 4 pulleys. I have the majority of it roughed in. The problem with the first one was the wraps in the line getting to close to the rig, then the lines would climb off the pulleys. As long as there isn't too many problems with line in/out interference I think this will work much better. As the kite twists up it will only tighten the lines onto the pulleys. Thats the plan anyhow. Have to wait and see how it works in professional hands.
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WOW! A MAGNIFICENT PIECE OF ART, TRULLY GENUINE AND GRACEFULL. :up: I hope some day I will see it and who knows? I may give it a try...It would be a trill :wink:

Re: Dog Stake Rig

Posted: Tue, Mar 01 2011, 07:44 PM
by Darkspark
Thank you Hector. I have seen some of your work, and it makes the compliment even more meaningful. I will post some more pics when it is finished.

Re: Dog Stake Rig

Posted: Fri, May 06 2011, 01:47 PM
by Darkspark
Finally have it finished and mailed out for testing. Hopefully it will work as planned. Only time will tell.
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Re: Dog Stake Rig

Posted: Fri, May 06 2011, 04:04 PM
by Mike
That's a helluva piece of workmanship. So very cool.

Re: Dog Stake Rig

Posted: Sat, May 07 2011, 12:05 PM
by Jynx
Mikey ~ All I can say is... W O W ! :up:

What incredible skills you possess! It's not only a piece of engineering genius... it's a piece of art!