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Re: 120' Lines

Posted: Thu, Nov 30 2006, 01:47 AM
by denverberry
Ok, so maybe if I READ instead of just looking at the pretty pictures... It says that the name of the tool is a Fid.

Now I'm going to have to learn the history of the name of that tool. (sounds like it's short for something)

And yes I do still have my Marlin Spike, I use it almost daily... Wouldn't be without it.

Re: 120' lines

Posted: Thu, Nov 30 2006, 05:31 AM
by Chris
I thought the monkey fist rang a bell for a reason :wink: You must have been a Boatswain's mate. I worked in the machine shop on the USS Saipan '91-'94. The only knots I can tie are a square knot and larks head :P

Re: 120' Lines

Posted: Thu, Nov 30 2006, 06:42 AM
by Mike
denverberry wrote:Also, I'm a lover of knots!.

If you don't already have this book, you should ask Santa:
The Ashley Book of Knots

Re: 120' lines

Posted: Thu, Nov 30 2006, 10:53 AM
by Mike
My walmart latch-hook was too big, but I managed to do this no-knot with a piece of skinny wire on some 90# spectra.
And the verdict is......

Kent is right (of course, he knew that); the un-knot holds, even in spectra.

It hasn't been field tested, but I marked the loop with a sharpie and I yanked around on it, slide the sleeving back and forth, and otherwise messed about with it and it held.

If was going to do my lines this way, I would do it on one side only, the kite side. And then I'd do a standard knot near the handles so I could easily re-adjust the length when the lines stretch. You also might want to do the un-knot at home before going to the field to make the lineset. Trying to do this outside with cold, stiff fingers would be pretty tricky.

Re: 120' lines

Posted: Thu, Nov 30 2006, 11:44 AM
by Babbman
Mike wrote:
If was going to do my lines this way, I would do it on one side only, the kite side. And then I'd do a standard knot near the handles so I could easily re-adjust the length when the lines stretch. You also might want to do the un-knot at home before going to the field to make the lineset. Trying to do this outside with cold, stiff fingers would be pretty tricky.


Actually, it's the lines at the handles that drive me nutz with knotz... if you tie a knot about 1/8 or 1/4 inch from the end of the loop, you would have a pigtail to grab on to for adjusting your lines...

Re: 120' lines

Posted: Thu, Nov 30 2006, 02:05 PM
by Mike
Well if that's the problem, you don't have to have knotted leaders on your handles either. You can tie a different kind of knot, the name of which escapes me right now... tautline hitch? Which holds under sideways stress but can be easily slid along the leader for adjusting the brake lines.

I assumed your were snagging your lines on the knots when doing fancy stuff like axels and flic-flacs, toss & throw kind of stuff.

Re: 120' lines

Posted: Thu, Nov 30 2006, 02:06 PM
by Babbman
I assumed your were snagging your lines on the knots when doing fancy stuff like axels and flic-flacs, toss & throw kind of stuff.


you're a funny guy... I have enough trouble doing normal things at times...lol

Re: 120' Lines

Posted: Fri, Jul 20 2007, 09:11 PM
by Jeff
Glad there was already a thread here on this for me to read through. :wink:

Just got a spool of spectra, and I'm making my 120' line set. I did one line, and I was a little anal about getting it exactly 120'. :roll: I know it will stretch, after all.

Now the easier part will be making the other 3 to match. :up:

Re: 120' Lines

Posted: Sat, Jul 21 2007, 01:41 PM
by Jeff
OK, got my lines made.

I measured twice, but it sure feels like they're longer than 120'! I'm so used to the 75s that I've been flying on.

Re: 120' lines

Posted: Sat, Jul 21 2007, 04:48 PM
by Mike
until you get used to it, they do make the kite seem so far away...

Re: 120' lines

Posted: Sat, Jul 21 2007, 06:36 PM
by Frodos Majik
Soooooooo far awaaaaay. :shock: where are my glasses. :lol:

but then after getting use to the 120s, go back to the 75s and it will feel like the kite is right on top of you!! :shock:
woo, LOOK OUT!! :rotfl

like Mike says you will get use to it very quick. :up:

Re: 120' lines

Posted: Sat, Jul 21 2007, 09:07 PM
by Babbman
Frodos Majik wrote:Soooooooo far awaaaaay. :shock: where are my glasses. :lol:

but then after getting use to the 120s, go back to the 75s and it will feel like the kite is right on top of you!! :shock:
woo, LOOK OUT!! :rotfl

like Mike says you will get use to it very quick. :up:


For me, 75's are just too short for my tastes... I prefer 85' for short lines and the 120's whenever I can use them.

Re: 120' lines

Posted: Sat, Jul 21 2007, 09:13 PM
by Mike
We may try 75' tomorrow though.
In extremely light winds, John Barresi was telling me that iQuad has been using 75' x 50# lines and indoor spars.

Re: 120' Lines

Posted: Sat, Jul 21 2007, 09:21 PM
by Hector Herrera
It's funny, I have the 120 lines since last time I was rushing to get them to catch the wolf Remember, ??? and I have use them only once. The fact that, I'm allways alone and that if I get to a nice place there is allways people getting in the way, ...Hmmm.... I guess if I ever make it to fly in a team I'm gonna have to start practicing with those line lenghts. You know, for a loner, it's really super to fly with 15 feet lines, it's fun and I don't use a lot of space, easy to put away etc. But that, is just me.

Re: 120' lines

Posted: Sun, Jul 22 2007, 05:52 AM
by Mike
I fly alone 99% of the time too. I usually fly on 75', sometimes 120'.
15' lines are fun, but they don't give you much sky to play with for my taste.

Re: 120' Lines

Posted: Sun, Aug 12 2007, 12:53 PM
by Jeff
I've flown with my 120s a couple times in decent wind...one time with one pair on top, and the next time I switched the tops and bottoms so they'd all get even stretching. How many times would you say it takes to get new lines all broken in? I'm going to shorten them all back to an even 120, but I'd like not to have to do that several times.

Re: 120' lines

Posted: Sun, Aug 12 2007, 08:27 PM
by Mike
They've probably done most of their stretching after a few times.
I wouldn't worry about making them 120' at this point. I don't think anyone else re-measures their lines after they've stretched. Just make them even. It wont matter if they are 6" different from the next guy (that's less than 1/2%).